Apostolic Preterist

The Jew & Gentile church

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God's church is now Jew and Gentile in one body

God divorced natural Israel. Under the law you could not divorce someone and truly be able to marry another unless they died. Natural Israel had commited adultery on Jesus by worshipping false Gods. Once the natural Israelites (Jews) crucified Jesus and he died, he was free to remarry. I was reading Ephesians chapter 2 where it teaches that Christ made Jew and Gentile one body. This reminded me of the pervasive dispensationalist heresy that separates between the nation of Israel and the church. This heresy has run rampant throughout the entire earth and so I wrote this short article in order to warn people about it. In terms of Biblical Scholarship, there can be no Biblical Scholarship if one is believing and teaching this heresy. It colors their whole outlook on the scriptures.Most of the end time teachings that are out there today stem from a false doctrine made popular starting in the 1830's by John Nelson Darby and then later on when the scholfied bible came out with its notes.


Many church people today (some call themselves dispensationalists) believe that Israel and the church are two separate entities and that they must remain that way because God has not fulfilled all of his promises to the Jewish people. They say that God still has yet to give Israel the land promised to Abraham--BUT THE SCRIPTURES SAY THAT GOD GAVE ISRAEL EVERYTHING THAT HE PROMISED TO ABRAHAM. THE PROMISES WERE FULFILLED OVER 3,000 YEARS AGO IN THE DAYS OF JOSHUA.


In Genesis 12, God made two great promises to Abraham: click saith

to make of him a nation; and,

to give him the land of Canaan.


While in Egypt, the children of Israel grew to be a nation. When they came out of Egyptian slavery, there were about 600,000 men, beside children (Exodus 12:37). Promise number one fulfilled--they were a nation.

After the death of Moses, Joshua led Israel into the promised land where each man received his inheritance. Promise number two fulfilled--they received the land of Canaan. God gave Israel ALL the land that he sware unto their fathers-

Joshua 21:43-45, And the LORD gave unto Israel ALL the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to ALL that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered ALL their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of ANY good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; ALL CAME TO PASS.

Just before Joshua died, he explicitly said that Israel received EVERYTHING that God spake concerning Israel--

Joshua 23:14, And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; ALL ARE COME TO PASS UNTO YOU, and NOT ONE THING HATH FAILED THEREOF.

King Solomon confirmed that God gave Israel everything that he said that he would--

1 Kings 8:56 Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to ALL that he promised: there hath not failed ONE word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.


This false dichotomy of Israel versus the church gives rise to all kinds of strange and divers end-times schemes. These people (dispensationalists) say that the church will live in heaven with Christ and that Israel will rule on the earth in fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham. Notice here that they even keep Israel and the church separate in the world to come. But do the scriptures keep Israel and the church separate? No. A thousand times, no. The scriptures say that Christ came to make Jew and Gentile ONE body. Let us go to the witness stand--

Witness #1: Ephesians 2:11-22, Jews and Gentiles are One in Christ

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, WHO HATH MADE BOTH ONE, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;[there is no separation]

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain ONE new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in ONE body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we BOTH have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are NO MORE STRANGERS AND FOREIGNERS, BUT FELLOWCITIZENS with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; [as a Gentile believer even the prophets are mine through the blood of Jesus--Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, all of them!]

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. [All believers, Jew or Gentile, are ONE building.]

Witness #2: Ephesians 3:3, 5-6, We are the Same Body

3 ...by revelation he made known unto me the mystery...

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be FELLOWHEIRS, and of THE SAME BODY, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Witness #3: Romans 4:9-17, We have the SAME Father--Abraham

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of ALL them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. [Abraham is not just the father of the Jewish people. He is my father too. We are only ONE family in father Abraham.

The Bible says that ISRAEL WAS THE CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS. In speaking of Moses, Stephen said this in Acts 8:37--

This is he, that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us.

Israel is the Root of the New Testament Church

In Abraham, God called out a people and a church for his name. Israel is the root of the New Testament Church. The mystery hidden from the foundation of the world was that the Gentile should be graffed into that root. The Gentiles are not a separate tree.

Those Jews who abide in unbelief are broken off from their own tree through their unbelief. All they have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and they will be immediately graffed back into their own tree. In speaking of Israel, Paul says this is Romans 11--

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, AND WITH THEM partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. [We are all in ONE tree.]

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature INTO a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? [There is only ONE tree. We get in by faith in the blood of Jesus.]

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be COME IN.


These scriptures clearly show that the gentiles and Jews who are saved under the new testament plan of salvation are now the true Israel of God.

Revelations church the true Israel of God Jews or Gentiles

Wonders of Bible Prophecy
The hanging gardens of Babylon is one of the seven wonders of the ancient world but ancient Babylon was destroyed and according to Bible Prophecy, will never be inhabited again. Isaiah 13:19-22

Most people don’t realize that Bible also speaks of “wonders.” According to the book of Revelation, there are two “wonders” that exist in our time. One is called a “great wonder” and the other is simply called “another wonder.”

Amazingly enough, the Bible indicates that the world will be most intrigued by and eventually pay homage to the “another wonder” totally missing the "wonder" which the Bible refers to as “great.” See Revelation 12:1-3; and Revelation 13:3

In the first several verses of Revelation chapter 12 there is a comparison of these “wonders” that include many characteristics:


“Great Wonder”

Gods new bride believing Jew and Gentile church

“Another Wonder” Gods old bride the Jews

1. it is a “woman”
2. clothed with the sun
3. moon under her feet
4. a crown of 12 stars
5. cries, travailing in birth pains
6. gives birth to a Man
7. Man will rule all nations
8. Man caught up to heaven
9. overcomes power of dragon
10. give testimony to world
11. persecuted
12. hides in wilderness

1. A great Dragon
2. greatly red
3. seven heads and 10 horns
4. seven crowns without stars
5. waiting to devour woman’s child
6. gives birth to a beast
7. beast attempts to rule all nations
8. beast cast into a lake of fire
9. resist power of the "Man"
10. tries to stop testimony
11. persecutes
12. hiding in plain sight


There are many more comparisons we could make but this will suffice for now.

Lets first turn are attention to the wonder, that the world for the most, part will miss, the woman. “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun…” Revelation 12:1

A Woman

Using prophetic symbols this "great wonder" is described as woman. A woman is commonly used in the Bible as a symbol of a Church. A good woman, or pure woman represents a faithful and good church, while a profligate or adulterous woman represents an impure, compromising, or unfaithful church. See Jeremiah 6:2, Ephesians 5:25-32, and Jeremiah 3:20.

Clothed with the Sun
This woman is described as clothed with the sun, she is wearing garments of light. Clothing in the Bible represents character. Isaiah 64:6, Zechariah 3:3-4

Light in the Bible is symbolic of truth, obedience, and righteousness it also represents the work of the Holy Spirit which leads us into all the truth. John 12:35, Ephesians 5:1-9, John 16:13

This light represents Jesus and that this church recieved it's light and truth directly from Jesus. John 8:12

The woman clothed in light represents the fact that this church is obedient to God's revealed truth and filled with the Holy Spirit. For its clothing it has the righteousness of Christ rather than the "filthy rags" of disobedient works based religions. (Works based religions are worthless attempts at covering the fact that the Holy Spirit is not with them.) This church obeys God from the heart. Ephesians 6:6, Psalm 40:8, Acts 5:32

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 5:16

IMPORTANT NOTE: There is a Bible prophecy(Isaiah 4:1) that at the end of time the vast majority of churches that call themselves Christian will not be wearing the garments of Christ's righteousness. It is therefore very important that we find out who this woman/church is that is described as a "great wonder."

Moon Under Her Feet
The woman clothed with light stands on a foundation that also gives her light. Genesis 1:16 tells of the creation of the greater and lesser lights, the sun and the moon. As the moon reflects the light of the sun and gives aid in times of darkness so does the old testament writings and the sanctuary system give aid to this church's understanding of present truth. John 5:39

The old testament is not done away with or thrown away as if it had no purpose, rather this woman (church) is aided by it. The light of the new testament and old testament are the same light, one sends out reflected light, the other, the sun is the source of light. This description is also indicative of the fact that this church would have as it's foundation and be in harmony with the teaching of the prophets both old and new. John 5:32-35

A Crown of Twelve Stars
This woman has a crown of twelve stars upon her head. Stars in the Bible represent angels, messengers, pastors, evangelists, apostles, and people in general who win others to Christ. Revelation 1:19, Daniel 12:3

The number 12 in this case is indicative of the church with its twelve apostles. This woman represents the true Christian church which Jesus formed, it receives some of its light (i.e. truth) as reflections of Jesus through his early disciples.

Paul prophesied that later there would be false shepherds and leaders, who would claim to have light and lead the church astray. Acts 20:29-312 Corinthians 11:13-15 We will learn more about that when we study about the "another wonder."

Cries Travailing in Birth Pains and Gives Birth to the Ruler of All Nations
The woman cries as she is experiencing the pains of giving birth. The woman is the church, the Israel of God, Her son would be the ruler of all nations, the long looked for annointed one, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, the Lord Jesus Christ.

It was in the church's most extreme hour that God sent His son. Oppressed by foes, trapped in cold formalism, or even in outright apostacy, most of God's chosen people were ignorant of the true nature of the coming deliverer.

There were some, however, who still searched and understood the scriptures, who looked forward to the promised one, and saw in Jesus the fulfillment of the promises.

The Bible record shows that most of Israel were startled and troubled at the thought of the soon appearance of their Messiah. The true Israel, however, though small in number, were greatly relieved and full of joy at His birth as well at the onset of His ministry. Luke 2:8-20, Luke 2:25-38, Matthew 2:1-11, John 1:46-49

A similar situation will occur at the second advent of Christ, it will be earth's darkest hour, and few will understand and be ready to meet Him with joy and in peace. see also Matthew 24:44-51

The Man Child Caught up to Heaven (Revelation 12:5)
The child of the woman clothed with light was taken to heaven after His resurrection to continue His work for His people and to rule the universe through the endless ages as KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. This description unquestionably points to Jesus. Acts 1:6-9, Hebrews 8:1-2, Revelation 19:11-16

Jesus Over Came the Power of the Dragon
Not once was the Devil("Dragon" Rev. 12:9) able to force or to trick Jesus into breaking His Father's commandments and commit sin. Therefore He could be our Saviour, paying the penalty for our sins and giving us His power so that we could become sons and daughters of God.

Those that recieve Jesus power and overcome are also persecuted

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Revelation 12:11 The Bible indicates that there would be many who call themselves Christians but refuse God's power that would enable them to live a Godly life. See 2 Timothy 3:1-5

Besides giving a living testimony by demonstrating God's power to change their lives, the true church described in this chapter would also have the "testimony of Jesus" which by Bible definition is the Spirit of Prophecy. See Revelation 19:10 and 1 Peter 1:10-11


More coming soon… (last updated 3-14-2013 11:39 pm pacific time)


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