Apostolic Preterist

Did The Gifts End 70 AD

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The verse always cited is 1st Corinthians 13:10: "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

That which is perfect is maturity, as explained by the following verse:

1 Corinthians 13:11: "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

This is about the coming into perfection (maturity) of the New Covenant man.  It is what Paul conveys to the Church at Corinthia. He was not saying they would lose spiritual understanding, lose spiritual knowledge or stop speaking through spiritual utterance, but that they would come to the revelation of the perfection of the New Covenant promises.

Paul tells the church at Corinthia that without the love of God in them the Holy Ghost would cease to work through them.

In their immaturity, they fail to operate beneficially for others in their congregation. Paul tells them that upon the day of the Old Covenant's destruction, they will recieve the fullness of the promises. No longer will they work partially with immaturity, but they will grow to maturity with the fullness of revelation in Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 13:12:  "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

Numbers 12:6:  "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream."

Numbers 12:7: "My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house."

Numbers 12:8:  "With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?"

As Moses was faithful in all God's house, those of the first century church who endure to the end of the Old Heaven and Earth, will gain the fullness of the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is the Spirit of Prophecy.

They will no longer go to a grave and sleep, but they will be changed to never sleep. Those of the first century church who are faithful in all God's house, will also recieve the fullness of knowledge, the fullness of understanding, and the fullness of utterence.


No more dark speeches, as we now behold the similitude of the LORD Jesus Christ in all His fullness and glory.

Separate from the above, I wrote how I feel about the gifts.-

Many people believe the gifts of the spirit are done away with. Most Preterists believe the gifts of the spirit ended in 70 A.D. I am a Preterist and I have a different outlook on the gifts of the spirit than most do. Before you can understand the gifts you have to understand the following-

A. Think about the scripture that says to baptize in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit. All three have one thing in common, one name. I will give you an example. I am a daughter, a sister and an aunt, but I am one person and my name is Thracia. Jesus is the name of the son, so we know the name of the father and holy spirit is Jesus as well. Not to mention the fact that the disciples only baptized in Jesus name. Many people ask “why did he pray to himself?” It was because Jesus was an example for us. Also part of him that was flesh was praying to the part of him that was God in the flesh. In the old testament the bible says “Hear O Israel the Lord our God is one Lord.” In the new testament it says “Even demons know that the Lord is one God and tremble.” In the OT Israel was promised that God would come to earth and be their king. God robbed himself in flesh and came to earth. The bible says “In the beginning was the word and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us.” Jesus was there from the very beginning. When he was born he was called Emanuel meaning God with us. Jesus made it very clear in the OT that he didn't want to dwell in a temple made by hands. He also in the NT called the saints “his temple.” Why? Because Jesus was going to come in the form of the holy spirit and dwell within man. Another thing I am made up of a body, soul and spirit, but I am one person. My point is Jesus and God the father and the holy spirit are one. The reason I put all of this together is because we cannot answer the below question without understanding that Jesus is the Father Son and Holy spirit all in one.

 In 1 Cor.12:3 it says, No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the holy spirit

 If you believe that the Lord heals people today, but its not a gift, then I ask you to consider the following.

 1.First of all we need to stop and think about the disciples. Did the disciples using the gifts of the spirit heal people by their power or by Jesus' power?


 Answer: Obviously, it wasn't by their own power, but by the power of the holy spirit. Jesus is the the holy spirit. So, when we pray today for someone to be healed and they are healed it is by the power of Jesus says those who do not believe in the gifts for today. Then there are those who do say it is by the gift of the holy spirit, so what is the difference between the healings that took place back then by the gift of the holy Spirit and today when Jesus who is the holy spirit heals them? Nothing is. Jesus healed them back them and he heals them today. Those who don't believe in the gifts for today say-

 Most people can't just go in and pray for someone to be unparalyzed or them to be cancer free and then be made whole. I know myself I have been healed many times from many serious illnesses. I've had doctors send me home to die not just once, but church people prayed for me and I was made whole. Now it took awhile before the complete healing to manifest but it was still a healing. I have been paralyzed for almost 20 years and people say “yeah, but God hasn't unparalyzed you. I want everyone to consider the man at the gate beautiful who was crippled and he begged for alms everyday and I'm sure the disciples passed him a lot, but one day the disciple Peter turned around and said “As much as lies within me rise and walk and he jumped up and was whole. The reason was, because that was his time that God chose to give him a miracle.

I know of a girl who was prayed for recently in Tennessee and she was paralyzed like me and she got up whole. Just like in the bible days. Jesus didn't heal everyone. They had to have faith and it had to be his timing. I watched a woman go to the alter and the assistant pastor started looking like he was wrapping something around his arm and the woman got sick and threw up. Then the assistant pastor went to the microphone and said that God had showed him a demonic snake in the womans stomach and God took his arm and started wrapping the snake around his arm and out of hers and then she threw up, because the demon was out of her. Afterwords she said she had stomach cancer. The assistant pastor was like “you HAD stomach cancer, not anymore. Go back to the doctor.” She came back a few weeks later and told him that the doctor said that she did not have cancer. There are more miracles and healings that take place all across this world. It is just not something you hear about in the news.

The problem is here in America there is very little faith, because we are so use to having doctors to run to for every little things. I personally have been healed of Staph infection, MRSA,pseudomonas. I was bit by a brown recluse spider and instead of losing most of my foot and leg God healed me and I don't even have a bad scar from the bite. When I was in a car accident and broke my neck I prayed for God to get a car off of my legs and I was on flat ground and instantly he rolled the car off of my legs. I had a seizure from getting off some medication and they ran a test on my brain and said I had some brain damage. I lost a lot of my memory. The church prayed for me and I got my memory back and a few years later I had the same test run and the doctors said “whoever told you that you have brain damage was crazy. There is nothing wrong with your brain.” I didn't even tell him what happened. I knew he wouldn't believe it. My mom was healed of breast cancer, my pastor was having some problems and he went to the doctor and was told he had colon cancer and he chose to believe God and he prayed and he did nothing else. The problem stopped. He went back to the doctor and the doctor was amazed that he was cancer free. Before my pastor was saved he was wild. As a result he found out years later he had hepatitis C and it was a bad case. My moms pastor came off the pulpit and told a woman he felt like he was suppose to pray for her leg and foot that she couldn’t walk on. The church prayed and he no longer has it. He prayed and she said she began to feel heat go through it. She stood up and walked without any problems. There are many more instances, but my point is God still heals and does miracles using his gift s when his church people ask and pray with faith. If it is his timing and will.

What happened in 70 A.D was Satan and his demons lost their power. I will give an example. They can attack Gods people. I have prayed and had one growl at me, but at the name of Jesus they had to flee. Those who attacked the church at the name of Jesus have to flee as well. Also in 70 A.D the law passed and the new covenant was established. God brought his people back to spiritual life which was lost in the garden of Eden.

Jesus came preaching the new covenant place of salvation. The gifts of the spirit was just part of the power given to the church with this new covenant, but until the law was completely done away with the new couldn't be completely established. The gifts of the spirit is part of the new covenant power that we have since Jesus came. It wasn't just for 30-70 A.D. Otherwise there would be NO healings and NO miracles and NO hope if there was anything wrong with you or your family. You can't say Jesus did it back then in the form of gifts, but today if it happens its just Jesus doing them and not the gifts being used. The bible says salvation and eternal life are gifts, so if the gifts have passed then you must believe you can't be saved and have eternal life with Jesus Christ that those also were just for the people living in 30-70 A.D. You can't have it both ways.

By Thracia Gharst


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